tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25163458.post8040226647139860287..comments2023-10-31T05:09:58.639-04:00Comments on maribo: Who is right about the oil sands: James Hansen, Joe Oliver or none of the above?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25163458.post-35184116326477844922013-04-28T15:37:41.992-04:002013-04-28T15:37:41.992-04:00Simon,
How do you treat decisions like Keystone X...Simon,<br /><br /><i>How do you treat decisions like Keystone XL, the Kinder Morgan expansion, etc.?</i><br /><br />Can be <b>Game over over</b>? :-[<br /><br />AlexAlexander Achttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07086454055212852669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25163458.post-36340131043022175142013-04-26T15:23:13.539-04:002013-04-26T15:23:13.539-04:00Thanks David.
Your assessment depends on whether...Thanks David. <br /><br />Your assessment depends on whether 2 degrees C above pre-industrial (or 1.5 degrees C, as argued by the small island states) means "game over". Say one accepts that premise. What's next? How do you treat decisions like Keystone XL, the Kinder Morgan expansion, etc.?<br /><br />Simon Donnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01844831377442275615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25163458.post-31030064944246930702013-04-26T12:04:29.696-04:002013-04-26T12:04:29.696-04:00Pachauri spoke in 2007 just prior to the Bali meet...Pachauri <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/17/science/earth/17cnd-climate.html?pagewanted=print&_r=0" rel="nofollow">spoke</a> in <b>2007 </b>just prior to the Bali meeting, and stated, emphatically, for world media consumption: <br /><br />"If there's no action before 2012, that's too late. What we do in the next two or three years will determine our future. This is the defining moment". <br /><br />In the terms Pachauri was talking about, nothing was done. <br /><br />Kevin Anderson is now telling us that in 2007 when Pachauri warned us how bad things were, the situation was actually worse, i.e. now its later than too late. Anderson's case rests on two points. His first point: "all" reports issued by types like Stern were written by people who had rose tinted glasses on when they made ("impossible") assumptions about what civilization could do about the problem. His second point: what science has discovered about how dangerous allowing 2 degrees of warming to occur has changed anyone's reasonable assessment of the problem, i.e. it makes 1 degree the new 2.... (See Anderson's <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RInrvSjW90U" rel="nofollow">Cabot Lecture</a> on Youtube)<br /><br />So it seems the answer to your question is <b>none of the above</b>. <br /><br />It can't be "game over" due to something that is about to occur, i.e. the approval or nonapproval of some pipeline somewhere, if its <b>game over already</b>.<br />david lewishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01057820755734099375noreply@blogger.com