tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25163458.post115521872982600421..comments2023-10-31T05:09:58.639-04:00Comments on maribo: Tradable emissions quotasUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25163458.post-1155302600687294822006-08-11T09:23:00.000-04:002006-08-11T09:23:00.000-04:00Oh yes, it would be much better concede a supposed...Oh yes, it would be much better concede a supposed public mistrust of science, and squash discussion of new or different ideas. That'd be very open and egalitarian. <BR/><BR/>Of course, what do I know, I'm stuck in the Ivory Tower.<BR/><BR/>Besides... five people in the car on every trip? Isn't that exactly what the cut-your-personal-emissions crowd is aiming for?Simon Donnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01844831377442275615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25163458.post-1155263704699488262006-08-10T22:35:00.000-04:002006-08-10T22:35:00.000-04:00Yes, in 21st century this scheme will make me a ve...Yes, in 21st century this scheme will make me a very rich man. I live in upper middle class neighborhood. How do you think Russian Oligarchs were made. During privatization of industry all workers in the factories received shares. They end up concentrated in the hands of few. I will not give the methodology.<BR/><BR/>As per your argument on grading the allowances of the rural, remote and employment. Right away you make a system unequal. <BR/><BR/>My main argument is how would you control emissions? Do you control every step a person does? If a large rural family has 2 SUVs but drives 5 people at the time in each of them. They emit less than a single guy who drives his hybrid everyday. <BR/><BR/>About all your main points report talks about more research needed.<BR/><BR/>This policy I put up there with the Marxism. May be a good idea but short of violent compulsions you will never get everyone to do it. <BR/><BR/>Simon what you have to realize is how much distrust in the general population toward science. And it is growing. I am just stating the fact here. As a scientist. The science, specifically climate change became extremely political. The myth of ivory tower and independent scientist have evaporated. Majority of people do not care about global warming or climate change. This is postmodernist reality of the western societies. Politicians know this. The talk about things but no one will think about putting 200% consumption tax on fossil fuel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25163458.post-1155251017495088562006-08-10T19:03:00.000-04:002006-08-10T19:03:00.000-04:00Back here the 21st century... a personal carbon al...Back here the 21st century... a personal carbon allowance system, like any tax system, could include a progressive scale, exemptions for employment expenses, exemptions for rural dwellers, etc. I suggest reading the Tyndall Centre's report, which formed the basis of Miliband's speech:<BR/><BR/>http://www.tyndall.ac.uk/research/theme2/final_reports/t3_22.pdfSimon Donnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01844831377442275615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25163458.post-1155247789604733322006-08-10T18:09:00.000-04:002006-08-10T18:09:00.000-04:00This system will hit the hardest the poor in North...This system will hit the hardest the poor in North America if ever implemented. Poor drive older cars. Those cars consume more gas. They also tend to use car to do the work. Say, delivering mail or papers. Or pizza. Yes they would like to get a less gas sucking hybrid, but it is out of their price range. One solution is going on social assistance, do nothing, and sell your green gas credits.<BR/>This will create a new class of society that does not contribute anything to the society. Read some history. Things like that happened in Roman Empire. Then it was Roman citizenship that became a commodity. Human life must never become a commodity. We already had example last year of the dead peasant insurance scam that made some people wealthier after Katrina.<BR/><BR/>Good Idea, runs into reality and shatters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com